Endesa, S.A. (ELEZF) Q3 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

Endesa, S.A.(OTCPK:ELEZF) Q3 2022 Results Conference Call November 8, 2022 4:00 AM ET

Company Participants

Mar Martinez – IR

Jose Bogas – CEO

Luca Passa – CFO

Conference Call Participants

Javier Garrido – JPMorgan

Alberto Gandolfi – Goldman Sachs

Antonella Bianchessi – Citi

Jorge Guimaraes – JB Capital

Manuel Palomo – Exane BNP

Javier Hernandez – Mediobanca

Fernando Garcia – RBC Capital Markets

Rob Pulleyn – Morgan Stanley

Jorge Alonso – Societe General

Mar Martinez

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Nine Month 2022 Results Presentation, which will be hosted by our CEO, Jose Bogas; and the CFO, Luca Passa. [Operator Instructions]

Thank you, and now let me hand over to Jose Bogas.

Jose Bogas

Okay. Thank you, Mar, and good morning, everybody. Let’s start with some key consideration for the period. First, persistent volatility in the gas market and high electricity prices led both the European Union and the Spanish government to unveil new set of emergency measures, in order to mitigate the consequences of the energy crisis, while discussing bolder proposal for the medium term. The deterioration of the macro context has shown no sign of recovery during the last quarter. The growing concerns on the main economy’s performance and inflation exceeding all records in the Eurozone, trigger a new round of corrective measures from central banks, including significant interest rate hikes. The sound performance of our liberalized business is clear evidence of our management integrated strategy resiliency to overcome market headwinds. Like-for-like EBITDA, excluding sale of Endesa X Way to Enel, increased by 11%, while net ordinary income increased by 1%. And finally, an extraordinary shareholder meeting has been called on November the 17th, to approve a set of preventive operational and financial measures within the usual related party transaction practice with our parent company. Its adoption will provide the company with greater operational and financial flexibility in the event of extraordinary energy market volatility occurring again in the near future.

On the next slide, we will further elaborate on the dynamic of the market context. 9-month cumulative mainland demand decreased by 1.4% compared to the previous year, showing a further leveling off in the negative trends seen during the year. In Endesa’s mainland distribution area, figures were slightly better, as demand increased 0.5%, that is minus 0.8% adjusted, relying on the service segment solid performance, offset by a reduction in Residential, minus 1.3%, and Industrial, minus 4% segments, the latter being affected by the economy slowdown, mainly in the metallurgical and paper sector. The European energy crisis also affected by the geopolitical tensions, resulted in a challenging market context with record high prices during the summer. The European gas reference TTF index reached the historical high of around €316 per megawatt hour on August the 26, while the Spanish reference, MIBGAS or PVB surpassed €230 per megawatt hour, additionally showing a relevant decoupling since June. Against this background, Iberian average pool price reached €186 per megawatt hour in the period, up 137% year-on-year, and also affected by the cap on gas for electricity prices, limiting the imputed gas costs at €40 per megawatt hour since mid-June. So far, 2022 has been the most expensive year in the Spanish electricity market. In the absence of such similar gas cap as the Iberian exception, most European energy market recorded average price around €300 per megawatt hour, driven by the gas record high and extreme volatility.

Let’s now focus specifically on the worsening of third quarter context on Slide number 5. While there is no doubt that 2022 is being characterized by record high gas prices, in particular, the third quarter has seen an extreme and unprecedented rise. For instance, MIBGAS PVB, which is the reference for the Iberian market, short an average by more than 180% quarter-on-quarter to €138 per megawatt hour. This price level compares with the €90 to €100 per megawatt hour range since — during the first half of the year. When it comes to the TTF, which currently is the leading European gas benchmark, declining gas export from Russia and the buying spree to top-up winter reserves, mean an average price of €200 per megawatt hour in the third quarter, which compared with the €50 per megawatt hour recorded in the same quarter of the last year. With these commodity prices increases, quarterly average power price also reached record high in all the markets, except in the Iberian market, where the price cap enforced in June the 15th has allowed to keep pool prices under control compared to other European countries. Although considering the thermal compensation, last quarter prices also represented an all-time record in Iberia. Power pool prices forward references for the last quarter point to similar levels, while natural gas futures linked to TTF and MIBGAS are trading around €75 and €70 per megawatt hour, respectively, close to level not seen since mid-June, unless than [third] of their summer peak. Moreover, an usual world weather, high floats of LNG and a strong storage bill have eased some pressure on the gas market in the last two months. European storage is almost 94% full, and Germany has reached 98%.

On Slide number 6, we can see a summary of the regulatory initiative unveiled during the last quarter, and aim at containing electricity prices and mitigate the — its social impact. At the European level, as a complement to the different packages approved to date, a new set of emergency measures to control energy prices was approved last September and will be applicable from December the 1st of this year to December the 31st, 2023. Among others, those include a reduction in electricity consumption, the introduction of a cap of €180 per megawatt hour for the marginal technologies, and a solidarity contribution tax for oil and gas companies. Moreover, the European Union reached a consensus to work on a gas purchase platform and alternative reference in gas market, and a solidarity scheme to allocate gas between member states. Finally, an overall energy market reform debate carries on. In Spain, since August, the government has approved through three different Royal Decree Law, several cost reduction measures for the most vulnerable customers such as implementing energy saving and efficiency measures, reducing energy dependence on natural gas, while promoting electrification and deployment of renewable energies, lowering value-added tax, but from 21% to 5% on supplies of natural gas, and increased protection for the most vulnerable energy consumers, particularly on natural gas. On the non-mainland proposed fuel auction, we welcome the recommendation of the CMC report [which] consider inadequate to use the brand formula, and advocates market references such as MIBGAS.

Considering regulated tariff, a new draft for public consultation has been put forward which consider longer-term market price references for the energy cost indexation. Lastly, the tax proposal on energy companies and banks required as a social contribution, has started the allegation process in parliament. While the final outcome is still unclear, we reiterate our disagreement with the proposed taxation. The tax will not be levied on extraordinary results since it will be applied on consolidated tax revenues, clearly affected by the context of high prices as well as the associated energy cost, and most expressly excluding regulated businesses. Obviously, this tax goes against the spirit of the current European Union proposal. It must be highlighted that last year, our tax contribution represented more than €3 billion, which places us as the 5 largest taxpayer in the country.

Now we turn to the evolution of the generation operating parameters on Slide number 7. Over the last 12 months, we have continued to make progress in our decarbonization commitment, bringing into operation more than 700 megawatts of renewables. Mainland renewable capacity is 10% higher than in nine month 2021, while CO2-free sources now constitute 70% in — of our installed capacity on the mainland. Over this nine month of 2022, we connected 156 megawatt of new wind and solar capacity to the grid. In addition, on October the 21st, a new solar plant was commissioned in Seville with an installed capacity of 50 megawatt. All in all, 100% of this year target additional capacity, 1 gigawatt, is on track. We expect it to be operational in the fourth quarter with no foreseen delays. As for the renewable pipeline, the 65% of the 4 gigawatt of new addition targeted for 2022 to 2024 are already addressed, while the rest is ensured with a gross pipeline almost of more than 80 gigawatt, the major portion of which covers more than 6x, that is 35% of 4 gigawatt, the residual target of new capacity. Total mainland output reached 39.9 terawatt hours, plus 16% higher than previous year.

Year-to-date output figure consolidates the lower hydro availability suffered mainly in the first semester. In that context, the increase in wind and solar production due to the entry of new capacity, together with the recovery of the thermal production, mainly CCGTs, more than offset the drop of hydro production. And finally, let me highlight the fact that Endesa was provisionally awarded the Andorra Fair Transition tender, obtaining the right to connect 953 megawatt, and the option to step up to a total of 1,200 megawatt. This project reinforced the company commitment to future projects in areas affected by planned closure, creating value in the local communities. In power retail, we continue increasing the liberalized customer base, liberating on our successful commercial strategy — and we are now on Slide number 8. The implementation of attractive offers in the current price context has resulted in a remarkable increase in our liberalized customer base during the last 12 months, adding around 1.2 million new clients. Customer acquisition runs well above what was in our plans and boost sales in the liberalized market up 4% versus previous year. Sales to liberalized residential customers have more than offset the decrease in sales to B2B customers. Looking at Endesa X, both e-Home contract and charging points associated with electric mobility are increasing significantly by 30% and 43%, respectively.

On Slide number 9, the good evolution of our free power sales came together with a sound performance of the free power margin that reached €38 per megawatt hour, 35% above previous year, despite the complex and challenging market and price scenario resulting from unitary revenue that rose to €161 per megawatt hour, associated to an increase of index sales and higher pool price context, and increasing variable costs driven by lower purchase volume at high prices and fuel cost increases. Free power margin amounted to around €2.2 billion, well above the previous year, and the main drivers being the following: the renewal of fixed price contract at the price of €65, market in our bilateral contract which is below the limit set in the regulation. This will provide stability to our customers, guaranteeing steady bills in the coming months with prices well below the spot price. Better margins in thermal generation due to higher CCGT production in a context of higher thermal output to compensate the low hydro production. Regarding forward sales, 100% of our 2022 price-driven output, 90% for 2023 and 46% in 2024 has — have already been hedged at €65 per megawatt hour, baseload price set in the bilateral contract between our generation and supply subsidiaries.

Focusing on the gas business — we are on Slide number 10, total gas sales remain quite flat, increasing by around 1% to 75.4 terawatt hour, with very strong sales to our CCGTs, offsetting the lower conventional demand. Gas unitary margin, including wholesale, retail, and CCGTs activity, recovered from €0.9 per megawatt hour in the first nine month of 2021 to €3.7 per megawatt hour in nine month 2022, driven by the wholesale business with a significant improvement in the third quarter. This result reflects an overall context improvement compared to the previous year, clearly affected by the pandemic backdrop, by the American contract optionality, and the opportunities associated to high gas demand for CCGTs. To the contrary, retail business margin slightly decreased, mainly driven by lower-than-expected gas demand. Volume hedged for 2022 is around 100%, considering the expected sales to CCGTs in the fourth quarter. In the medium term, 60% and 29% of our sourcing contracts are already hedged for 2023 and 2024, respectively. Our gas hedge are usually close two or three years in advance, and we usually leave some Henry Hub volumes ahead to exploit their full flexibility.

Moving to operative achievement on networks, and I’m now on Slide number 11. Distributed energy stood at 102 terawatt hour, up by 3%. Our effort to improve quality and efficiency resulted in a drop in losses that improved 0.2 percentage points, while time of interruption improved by around 9%. These good efficiency figures have been achieved despite the extreme weather conditions such as the record temperatures during the summer or the cyclone Hermine, an unprecedented meteorological phenomenon in the Canary Islands that affected the electricity grid.

And now I will hand over to Luca, who will detail the financial results.

Luca Passa

Thank you, Pepe, and good morning to everybody. On the financial highlights, I’m now on Slide number 13. Reported EBITDA increased by 19%. EBITDA like-for-like increased by 11%, excluding the capital gain obtained from Endesa X Way transaction. Net ordinary income was up by 1% year-on-year, amounting to close to €1.5 billion, not considering the net effect of the Endesa X Way transaction. Reported funds from operation figure, which amounted to €0.6 billion, turned positive versus first half 2022. This figure was strongly affected by the increase in the regulatory working capital during the period, of close to €1.2 billion. Once strip-out of this impact, both years, FFO would have reached €1.8 billion, more than doubling the adjusted FFO in nine months 2021. Moving to the detailed analysis of the period on Slide 14. We invested approximately €1.5 billion in the period, 20% more than the previous year, mostly allocated to the two main strategic pillars: networks and renewables. EBITDA like-for-like reached €3.472 billion, plus 11% versus nine months 2021. Generation and supply show an improvement of 38%. Distribution EBITDA declined by 21% to €1.132 billion. While generation business benefited from the bilateral contract, customer business was impacted by the net increase of commercial sourcing cost.

Moving now into a deeper analysis on Slide 15 on generation and supply business. Despite the strong volatility, our liberalized business portfolio strategy has successfully overcome the headwind. EBITDA like-for-like reached €2.340 billion, plus 38% versus last year, including the following effects: Net effect of non-recurrent of minus €84 million. The free power margin has performed better than expected, showing an increase in absolute terms of €724 million, mainly thanks to — the generation margin increased — mainly to the new price reference and higher thermal output with lower volumes where the lower hydro is partially offset by the improvement in volumes of the rest of renewables and nuclear and other minor effects. The supply margin was likewise affected by the net increase in sourcing cost, higher ancillary and [shape] cost and customer mix effect. Finally, a positive effect on the share position for €142 million. The positive contribution of Endesa X and other effects for plus €27 million, which includes an improvement in the gas business and others, €460 million, including €209 million in gas, thanks to the optionality of our contracts in a much better scenario versus the previous year, partially offset by other minor negative impacts for about €50 million. A deterioration of non-mainland margin that decreased by €133 million, resulting from the worsening of the full cost recognition due to the gas price, given that the current regulation does not yet allow the recovery of the actual costs incurred. Fixed cost increased by €45 million, mainly due to the inflationary context and higher activity.

Moving to Slide 16. Distribution EBITDA dropped by 21% to €1.132 billion, mainly affected by lower gross margin impacted by the update of the regulatory remuneration for mainly 2017 to 2019, in accordance with the ministerial order issued in August by — around €180 million. Minus €29 million of the previous year settlements booked in the first half, and a marginal decrease of gross margin, mainly due to the impact of the two previous effects on the current year. Fixed cost increased by €56 million, mainly due to the increase in the repairs and maintenance costs, the update of the workforce restructuring provision, and the recognition of recent Section in proceeding. We do not expect further non-recurrent effects for the last quarter of the year. A few more details on the evolution of fixed cost.

We are now on Slide 17. Total fixed cost reached €1.510 billion, 8% higher than last year. Thanks to our digitalized asset base and platforms, we have continued to deliver efficiency across all businesses that soften the impact of the increasing inflation effect and rising inertia cost in the growing businesses.

On the P&L evolution from EBITDA to net ordinary income — and I’m now on Slide 18. Net ordinary income came at €1.469 billion, up 1% year-on-year, on the back of the dynamics [commented] EBITDA level. D&A is up €145 million year-on-year, with higher amortization up for €83 million based on investment increase as well as activated customer acquisition costs, and higher bad debt accrual for €62 million associated with the increase in billings volumes in the period, representing 0.4% of the revenues, slightly lower versus the historical trend. Overdue debt over 180 days sees a reduction of about 20% compared to nine months 2021. Net financial charges increased mainly as a result of the net effect of late interest payments for minus €65 million, and the net exchange difference is due to the evolution of the euro-U.S. dollar rate during nine months 2022, and higher debt financing cost due to the increase of the average gross debt, despite the lower cost of debt, mainly as a consequence of the increase in cash collaterals required in organized markets. This was more than offset by the update of the workforce reduction plans provision. Raises in taxes, mainly due to the higher results and the increase in the effective tax rate to 25.6% due to nondeductible tax provision. Minorities increased by €36 million, in line with the trend shown in June, mostly due to the better results of some windfalls with minorities participation.

Moving to the cash flow on Slide 19. Funds from operation evolution in the nine months came in at €0.6 billion positive, improving for about €0.8 billion versus the first half of 2022. Net working capital was equal to minus €2.2 billion, strongly affected by the €1.2 billion of regulatory working capital increase during the nine months of 2022, most of it in the mainland business due to the regulatory settlements at historical fuel cost far below the current market. Excluding this impact, FFO would have reached around €1.8 million. Apart from this effect, regulatory working capital amounts to minus €1.1 billion, almost all of it expected to be temporary, and corresponds to minus €1.1 billion due to the gas cap mechanism pending to cash in from customers, minus €0.1 billion higher mandatory stock on gas required by the government to face the energy crisis, and plus €0.2 billion net energy system charge impacted by the government measures, both in 2021 and 2022. The increase of net balance of receivables and payable accounts associated with the external energy market environment is offset by different actions implemented to improve working capital such as cash collection, commercial factoring and others. We expect the above effects impacting working capital to normalize over the year, assuming a stabilization and normalization of the energy context and no further regulatory measures.

I will now move on debt evolution on Slide number 20. Net debt amounts to €11.1 billion, €2.3 billion higher than the full year 2021. This increase is clearly affected by €1.6 billion cash based CapEx, €1.5 billion of the total dividend corresponding to 2021 results. All of the above was partially offset by €0.6 billion of positive FFO generated during the year. Regulatory working capital, as previously commented, was close to €2 billion, with €1.2 billion higher respect of full year 2021, mainly due to the increase in the pending compensation of mainland, which we are expecting to cash in, at least €400 million by year end. Our leverage measured as net debt-to-EBITDA ratio was 2.3x, and the cost of debt is still very competitive at 1.1% level. Gross debt has notably increased as a result of the material rise of financial guarantees, commonly known as margin collateral requirements, required for the commodity financial hedging contracts, which has spiked in the third quarter due to extremely volatile context, as Pepe mentioned before.

Let me specify that these commodity financial hedging contracts are used to hedge our margins for our native portfolio in both power and gas, and are absolutely not speculative. Collateral requirements are temporary. In fact, at the end of October, the figure has dropped reaching €8.6 billion due to the gradual decline in commodity prices after the third quarter peak. Moreover, we expect these volumes to notably reduce, as derivative mature starting at year-end, with an expectation of €8 billion and a rate of about €400 million per month in the 2023 year, assuming the current forward price. Regarding the estimate of net debt by year-end, with no further regulatory intervention and a stabilization of the market scenario, we expect net debt to be in the range of €10 billion to €10.5 billion, slightly above [same] expectation, mainly due to respected increase in regulatory working capital, as commented before.

Moving to liquidity — and I’m on Slide number 21. At the end of September, liquidity amount to €4.4 billion. This figure consider unconditional credit lines amounting to €5.8 billion, out of which €3.8 billion are available. The adjustment in liquidity is a consequence of the strong increase in collateral in 3Q — in the third quarter, which is affecting all energy operators across Europe, and the sector liquidity needs, together with a slower-than-expected recovery of operation cash flows and the payment of the final dividend in July. The increase in margining has been financed mainly with short-term instruments. Once deducted the funding of energy markets, cash collaterals, the resulting [ratio] of fixed rate gross debt is 62%, adequate to address the current path of rate normalization in the euro area. Pending the European energy market stabilization, we are actively managing the current situation to a number of financial initiatives, strengthening the liquidity position and providing a necessary backup in case of a new extreme volatility spikes. We have already put in place facilities amounting to €4.5 billion that once considered results in a coverage of 11 months of debt maturities, and in particular, €3 billion in a 12-month credit line with Enel Financial International, pending EGM approval, the next November 17th; €1.3 billion renegotiation of loan extension from March 2022 to July 2024, with relationship banks already executed, and €250 million new sustainability linked European Investment Bank loan for 15 years signed yesterday. Finally, we are working on additional measures that will provide a material increase in the liquidity position in the short term, reaching levels that we find sufficiently comfortable.

Let me now hand over to Pepe for his final remarks.

Jose Bogas

Thank you, Luca. And to close this presentation on Slide number 22, I would like to share some final remarks on the main achievements of the period. First of all, the resiliency of our long proven integrated business model has allowed us to successfully overcome one of the most challenging context in recent years, both in terms of market volatility and regulatory intervention. We continue to attract new customers, leveraging on a successful commercial strategy based on the range of products and services, providing stability to their energy bills. In renewables, we continue to deliver on capacity addition, and are on track to deliver the full year target. We remind you that on the 17th of November, an extraordinary general shareholder meeting will be held to approve a set of operations to reinforce our position on international gas market as well as to strengthen our liquidity, providing a solid backup in case of new extreme volatile spikes. To wrap up, despite the many headwinds encountered during the period, the sound results reached in nine month support the achievement of the net ordinary income target set for the year, even considering prudently the proposal of taxing utilities for about €400 million. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our nine month 2022 result presentation. Thank you very much for your attention, and we are ready to take some questions.

Mar Martinez

Okay. Thank you, Pepe. We’ll start with the Q&A session and open to take all the questions you may have.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Mrs. Mar Martinez, Head of Investor Relations, please go ahead.

Mar Martinez

The first question comes from Alberto Gandolfi from Goldman Sachs. Probably Alberto has some technical issues. We can move forward to the next analyst that is Javier Garrido from JPMorgan.

Javier Garrido

Did I understand correctly that you are including up to — a potential impact of up to €400 million from the Spanish energy tax that would be included in the reiteration of the ordinary net income for 2022? That’s the first question. Second question, if you can quantify, or at least give some approximate figures about how much of the €724 million you increased in the gross margin in the first 9 months, in the free markets, is due to the repricing of contracts, and how much is due to higher profits from CCGTs? And then the third question is, I’ve noticed the continuation and the acceleration in the increase in index sales in your portfolio. Is this increase sustainable? And is it a strategic decision to reduce the economic exposure to a short energy position in the future?

Jose Bogas

Let me say, you are absolutely right. We have prudently, as I have said, include this taxation of €400 million in the net ordinary income. That means that we will maintain our net ordinary guidance — net income ordinary guidance even with this taxation. With regard to the last question, in the sense of the index sales, well, let me say that this is not a strategy to increase or decrease our index sales as a consequence of the market and the dynamic of this market. There are many customers, many clients that they will prefer — that they prefer in the future just to be indexed, because they are expecting, I mean, a reduction in the prices. We try to advocate them in the sense to give them the best alternative for their supply. Well, from time to time, we have different strategies. One of them trying to give clues, yes, to fixed prices or to continue in the indexation, but it depends on the kind of client and the way indeed in which they would like to go ahead.

Luca Passa

And on your second question, Javier, regarding the impacts on the €724 million of increase in our liberalized margin, as far as the generation part, basically, we have obviously the positive effect of the bilateral contracts, which impact for €440 million in generation. And in particular, when it comes to the CCGTs, here, obviously, for the increase in volume, we have a positive effect of about €200 million. Then, on the supply side, you have the negative effect on generation still for €440 million regarding the bilateral contract and the net effect there of €60 million, assuming that obviously repricing for the full 9 months is giving us in the region of €350 million.

Mar Martinez

I think that we have now Alberto Gandolfi from Goldman Sachs.

Alberto Gandolfi

I also have 3 questions, please. The first one is continuing on margins in the liberalized business. If I observe your Slide 15, it looks like the non-mainland will normalize at some stage when fuel somehow settles. And what I’m trying to understand is how much of these benefits from gas contracts, CCGT spreads, are going to also repeat in 2023? And can you tell us maybe how much of this €2.3 billion EBITDA in the generation and supply is a function of the gas contract and/or export to France that when the — may no longer be there. I’m trying to understand the sustainability of this profitability, which you admitted is extremely strong into next year. Because if you keep that plus the normalization in Mainland, it will be really strong numbers. So I’m just trying to figure out that. The second question is on interest expenses. You’ve been really good at keeping costs at 1.1%. I wonder how sustainable is that, considering half of your debt is variable and considering that we are seeing refinancing rates being something like 300, 350 basis points higher than what you’re paying right now? How much of a headwind is this going to be on the accounts going forward? Last question. I’m not going to ask about CapEx and the revenue tax because I think that’s going to be assumed in — addressed in the next couple of weeks. But maybe the last question. I’m a bit surprised that you are booking 0.4% bad debt, which is less than average. I would have expected, with bills going up, you would be booking a higher percentage. I know the absolute amount is going up anyway because your revenues are growing. But I — what’s the rationale for booking a lower ratio of bad debt in a moment where energy bills are up and doubling basically?

Jose Bogas

Alberto, I will hand over to Luca to answer. But let me say something with regard to the fuel cost for the airline or the remuneration of the airline. I agree absolutely with you that it’s something that it would be resolved in the future. Let me say that the fuel remuneration in regulated. Fuel remuneration must be based on the pass-through rule that we used to have always in this regulated business, and it is clear than the current, I would say, customs, fuel cost is not working now. Having said that, the [CNMC] on its report — last report of September — published a report on the proposed fuel remuneration in the airline, and the [CNMC] recommends using indexes that reflect market quotation in a better way, explicitly mentioning the MIBGAS. Therefore, we are currently waiting for a new draft ministerial order aligned to the CNMC recommendations. And Luca?

Luca Passa

And just adding on this first question. Obviously, the gas business has had a very good performance in this period, and we had expected this to be sustained towards year-end. But for 2023, let me not comment until we get to our — well, Capital Markets Day in about 2 weeks. Then, when it comes to interest expense, I can give you basically our — the evolution towards year-end. So we currently have €1.1 billion cost of debt. We are expecting to reach €1.5 billion at the end of the year, and that is based on an assumption of the fixed rate component just over at 2% — at around 2.3% and a variable rate component at 90 basis points in terms of cost of funding. And obviously, in the future years — and again, we will comment at the CMD, we will have an increase in interest rate expense as all other operators are basically experiencing, given the normalization of interest rates across Europe. And then the third question was on the rationale on the percentage of bad debt. We always had a percentage that was ranging between 0.3% and 0.5%. So 0.4% is more or less in line with the past. We have an increase in basically billings volumes of about 60% in these nine months, which is a huge number. And the usage of this percentage is in the average of our past, basically, periods. Therefore, this is also based on expected evolution for the futures, because, obviously, not all the increase in billing will basically come down as bad debt, given what we are experiencing it currently in basically payments by our customers. Therefore, we deem appropriate using the 0.4 percentage point, given the higher increase in billing that we’ve seen basically this year.

Mar Martinez

Next question comes from Antonella Bianchessi from Citi.

Antonella Bianchessi

A very quick question on your CapEx. You reported €1.6 billion. Your plan is [€2.6 billion] for the current year. Are you on track on that? Or you think some of the CapEx will flow into the next few years? Also, I noticed that the demand is coming down a lot. And therefore, how this can change the position of Endesa going forward, particularly on its ambition on the renewable growth?

Jose Bogas

Antonella, well, Luca will explain deeper, but we are on track on our CapEx, and we don’t see any change in the future. We feel comfortable with what we are doing, and we will reach this CapEx. With regard to the second question, isdemand going down, it’s going just to reduce our position — long-term position in generation. While it is clear, if the demand is reduced, our long-term position will be reduced also. But we feel comfortable in the way in which our, as I have said, strategy is working, and we feel comfortable continuing with this strategy. And Luca?

Luca Passa

Just confirming again the CapEx expectation for the full year at €2.6 billion. And regarding demand decrease in our development in renewables, I confirm that 1 gigawatt of additions expected for this year. We’re already over — in around €250 million. The rest of the capacity will come on line in these last two months of the year, as we experienced also in the previous two years. While basically the evolution going forward, again, let’s wait for the CMD in a couple of weeks.

Mar Martinez

We’ll move to the following questions that comes from Jorge Guimaraes from JB Capital.

Jorge Guimarães

I have two questions. The first one is, if you can go back to the liberalized margin in Q3, an electricity margin close to €50 megawatt hour. So if you can help us to understand how did you achieve such a high margin and how sustainability is going forward? And the second one, it’s not directly related to the results, but — I can tell but ask it. Do you have any opinion about the news last week in Spanish press about the inclusion or not of [TIEPI] [Technical Difficulty] [clawback] exemption?

Jose Bogas

Well, again, Luca will explain better, but we think that it is not easy to obtain these kind of margins, and it’s the consequence of a very good job, trying just to — first of all, to give a very good price to our customer base in the – from marginal cap that we have of [€67 million] where price is [€65 million]. And then managing all the rest of the cost, the ancillary cost, the shape of the customer, et cetera. It’s not easy, but I think we are doing a very good job. With regard to the second question, first of all, that is in relation with what we call the responsible declaration that we have, that we do just to the CNMC, taking into account our infra-marginal generation and the fixed prices to our customer. I should say that — I think that there is no any problem, or at least material problem with respect to our declaration. As I have said, this — we have done some kind of repricing of contracts to levels consistent, as I said, with the €67 per megawatt hour clawback. And I think that this repricing will be — or will have a sustainable positive impact, and we are not going to be penalized because of any clawback.

Luca Passa

And just on the liberalized margin again, I mean, basically, the effect and the sustainability of this result in nine months is based on the fact that we are repricing our generation at a level of €65 starting from previous years where we were ranging in the €45 to €50 area. Again, respecting also the regulation of the €67 clawback imposed by the regulator. Therefore, I think it’s part of the evolution of our generation and supply margins together, as I commented before, with the impact of the bilateral contract for €440 million positive in generation and negative in supply, and obviously, the improvement when it comes to thermal output, given the higher volumes in generation.

Mar Martinez

We have now Manuel Palomo from Exane BNP.

Manuel Palomo

I will stick to two. One is just a confirmation to make sure that the €2.4 billion impact is in net profit and not in EBITDA. So that would be the first one. Second one is, whether you could please explain the rationale why you have materially increased the number of clients in the liberalized market, 21%, if I’m not wrong, while volumes have gone only up by 4%? Is this the trend that you will expect going forward?

Jose Bogas

Well, first of all, you are right. It is clear that this increase in the net ordinary results will be support by the increase in the EBITDA that Luca will explain later. The second thing — the second question is with regard to — okay, Luca.

Luca Passa

I’ll take it, Pepe. So the first one is up to €400 million of, let’s say, prudently tax provision on — the new proposed taxation is at a net income level, so confirmed. On the second question, 4% volumes versus 20% increase in clients. First of all, volumes are affected by demand. You’ve seen the evolution of demand that we commented by sectors, but basically, you have an increase in demand only on services, while both Residential and, in particular, Industrial, are down in terms of demand, given the high prices scenario. The evolution of demand obviously will depend also on the macroeconomic evolution, and basically GDP evolution for next year. You know that GDP evolution for this year and for next year have been lower several times during the last months. But basically, volumes are affected by macro and sector evolution, while customers notwithstanding the increase, or the inversion in trend that we experienced in the last 9 months. Obviously, the flows is slowing because also customers acquisition in liberalized market in the third quarter is much lower than what we experienced in the first 2 quarters. So I expect the customer basically trend to slow again in the future quarters, while volumes will depend on demand on each of the sector, and Industrial, I think, will be impacted in the next few quarters in that respect, by the energy context.

Mar Martinez

Next question is coming from Javier Suarez from Mediobanca.

Javier Hernandez

Three follow-up questions also on my side. The first one is on the working capital. So the question for you is when — how are you expecting the recovery of this working capital, which should be the amount of working capital that we should see by the year, and how confident you see on the positive evolution, a reduction on this regulatory working capital? Related question is on the level of cash collaterals that you are expected by the year-end, and implication that this may have on your capital going forward? Third question is on the guidance. The company has confirmed this morning the net — ordinary net income for 2022. Can you please elaborate on latest guidance for EBITDA and then payout policy, and therefore, increasing dividend yield in 2022? And the final question is, what is your layout — if you can update us on your contribution to the ongoing debate on how the European Union should [change] the structural reform of the European equity market through both short-term and then medium-term measures?

Jose Bogas

I will try just to give you some coloring on the last question, the debate in the European Union around these changes. Well, in my opinion, it is absolutely clear that we have realized that, with extreme unpredictable volatile context like the one that we are suffering now, the marginal system pricing that we have, I would say, doesn’t work correctly, in the sense that the combined cycles are fixing very high prices, that it has no sense for the infra-marginal technologies. Another question is, what should be this price for the infra-marginal technologies. As you could see in Spain, the regulator had decided he has to cap with €67 per megawatt hour. And in Europe, this figure is €180 per megawatt hour. Well, in any case, what I think is that, it should be a difference between the signal price and the remuneration price for this — for the different technologies.

I think, if we go back to a normal situation, again, there is no any problem, and this marginal price has been working during a long period of time, and during the last years, and I think that very efficiently — because it allocate the resources in the right way, and we have obtained a lot of cost reduction in the sense of the European Union cost of energy. But as I have said, we should think how to change this. In any case, if you think in the future, in the mix in which we are only — we will have only renewables, then the marginal cost will be zero, or close to zero, and it has no sense. So these remuneration systems [would] change in the future just because of this extreme context, or just because we are going just to have marginal technologies with marginal costs close to zero, and you should pay in any case the capital cost or the fixed cost. So we are really open to this chain, and, well, it’s not easy, but it is normal and rationable just to think about a new remuneration system for the future.

Luca Passa

On the first question regarding working capital reabsorption, as I said, regulatory working capital, we expect it to basically lower into the stock that we are registering of €2 billion at the 9-month by — €400 million by year end, and hopefully, something more if it comes. When it comes to the — let me say, the ordinary evolution of working capital, which has a negative effect of about €1 billion in 9 months, we’re expected to recover almost all of it, because, obviously, the impact of €1.1 billion of the cap on gas will be reabsorbed quite substantially towards the fourth quarter, given the evolution in price and the fact that in certain recent days, the cap on gas do not apply. Therefore, we do not — will not have any impact on demand. As you might recall these measures, basically is settled on generation on a weekly basis in the system, and then is transfer or financed through bills to final customers. So we have basically a delay in terms of timing of when the settlement goes into the bill, and when actually we are basically — getting the money, basically from the final customers.

On cash collateral, expectation for year-end, given the current prices, is €8 billion gross for year-end 2022. And as I said, for 2023, we are expecting a decrease of about €400 million per month. And then in terms of, let me say, EBITDA evolution in the fourth quarter, we are expecting basically an EBITDA evolution similar of what we had in the third quarter, driven by obviously the absence, as I mentioned, of a negative run-off in distribution that we already recorded in this third quarter, the recovery of non-mainland generation, but slightly below the guidance, so in — around €400 million in terms of margins. Stable free power margin also for the fourth quarter, which has been quite strong, as discussed before, for the third quarter, and some worsening on the gas wholesale and mark-to-markets for — about €300 million. So that’s basically what we are guiding for in terms of EBITDA evolution for the fourth quarter.

And we gave formally guidance on net ordinary income, net of basically the provisions for this proposal as that is the base for dividend payment.

Mar Martinez

We have now Fernando Garcia from RBC.

Fernando Garcia

I have two. So first one is on the — if you can expand the explanation on the €180 million in the distribution update. I think this is related to an inventory. So my question here is, do you think this inventory in the case of Endesa [Technical Difficulty] [directly]? And the second one is related — a follow-up question on the previous question of Javier Suarez, on the guidance of net debt to €10.5 billion. So I assume here that you are including €1 billion recovery for the gas — the cap of gas and then €0.4 billion as well on regulatory working capital? If I am not correct here?

Jose Bogas

Let me try to answer the first one, the one regarding to the distribution remuneration. First of all, I should say that it is a negative impact, not only for Endesa, but for all the sector. This figure comes from the inventory, that is the asset, and also for the operational maintenance [context]. Well, we don’t agree with this resolution because of many things. And we have appeal our wind — our main — or we have — or we will intend — just to explain because I think there are some mistakes in this regulation, not only for Endesa, for all the sector. But the main impact — negative impact is not in the value of the asset, but in the recognition of the operational maintenance.

Luca Passa

On the second question, the assumption of net debt year-end at €10 billion to €10.5 billion is based on FFO generation of €2 billion and regulatory working capital at €1.7 billion. So it’s a recovery of €400 million regulatory working capital, and, let’s say, ordinary working capital recovery of about €1 billion, which is obviously the cap on gas plus other recoveries.

Mar Martinez

Next question comes from Rob Pulleyn from Morgan Stanley.

Robert Pulleyn

At this stage, I’ll limit it to one question, given lots of others have already been answered. And can I just revisit for clarification this renewables capacity for delivery in 4Q. You’ve said it twice that you aim to still hit your 1 gig target. But could I ask the status of those projects? Are all the components just awaiting installation and commissioning, or are there any pending delays in delivery, especially in solar? And as a follow-up very quickly on a previous question as you referred to cost of financing. Would you be willing to say where you expect your leading-edge borrowing costs to go for those refinancings due in 2023 and 2024?

Jose Bogas

With regard to the first one on the renewable delivery, as usual, we used to deliver at the end of the year. So, as we have said, if you take into account the last 12 months, we have put in operation 700 megawatt, and in this year, taking into account what we did in October. We are — or we have now a little bit more than 200 megawatt. But we don’t expect any material delay. We will reach — or we feel comfortable just to reach our target of 1 gigawatt at the end of the year.

Luca Passa

And let me add, Pepe, that this was the same performance in terms of capacity additions that we had both for 2021 and 2020. Therefore, lots of the capacity coming basically on line in the last two months. So, construction is almost basically finished for the major of the projects that we have. As far as cost of financing, Rob, I can comment for the evolution up until this year-end, and therefore, 2023 and 2024 refinancing. But you need to wait a couple of weeks. Clearly, you can expect an increase given the interest rates, basically, normalization that we are seeing in Europe.

Mar Martinez

Next question comes from Jorge Alonso from Societe General.

Jorge Alonso

A couple of questions, please. You have hedged 90% of the energy for 2023. I just wanted to know on what hydro output — if you are assuming a full normalization, or which is your assumption for 2023, just in order to be sure that you’re not going — overhedging again? The second one is related to the gas procurement costs, if you expect that your procurement cost for gas next year would increase materially? Or would it stay more or less at the same level that you have seen this year? And the last one is about the distribution business. If you can give us some more color about the underlying performance of the business considering the run-off, if it is recovering or is it still a little bit weak? And what are the reasons for that?

Jose Bogas

Let me say that we always consider another tier in hydro. But in this case, I think what we have considered is a little bit lower than the average for the rest of the year. With regard to the second question, the gas cost procurement, well, it is clear that these costs are more or less aligned with some indexes like Brent, Henry Hub, or even the indexes of MIBGAS, et cetera. So it would depend on the evolution of these indexes. But nevertheless, well, what we see is that this index is increased, and the reference that we have increased, our aim is just to try to maintain the margins that we have today. With regard to the distribution, we don’t expect any more negative news in terms of the regulation. So we think that the evolution in the future should be — or will be — if you take into account what had happened in this year 2022, without this negative regulation impact, is similar to other years. But Luca, could you…

Luca Passa

When it comes to the last one on distribution, as we said, we have allocated this amount that has been requested. Therefore, if our [allegation] goes through, we might have some recovery of that amount. Now I cannot comment on the amount specifically, but clearly, this is basically something that we are trying to recover. When it comes to the second one on the gas procurement cost, there’s been, and there will be, as always, some repricing in contracts. But let me say that it’s — the pricing, it’s only in the money vis-a-vis the current market scenario. Clearly, I cannot comment on the level at which we are basically tracking repricing with our sourcing counterparts.

Mar Martinez

And now I think Antonella Bianchessi from Citi is back with some additional questions.

Antonella Bianchessi

A very quick one. I noticed that in your CapEx — you have materially increased the CapEx related to the customer base. Is this capitalization of losses of new customer or its marketing cost? What is this? And which is going to be the evolution over the next few years?

Luca Passa

Yes, Antonella. We increased, obviously, activation for customer acquisition, which is basically the component that then also has an effect in D&A, as I commented before. The impact on D&A for this month is only €24 million. The evolution will depend on how much customer will continue to attract, given our strategy. Now, as I said, we will comment the evolution for 2023 and onwards in a couple of weeks. For this year, we do not expect further acquisition cost that will affect basically D&As. In terms of cost of acquisition of customers, we are ranging in the €65 to €75 per customer in terms of the cost at which we are carrying customers currently.

Mar Martinez

Okay. This was the last question of the call, and all the questions received by e-mail has been addressed in the conference call. So thank you very much for participating. As always, our team is available to help you in case you have further questions. And that’s all. See you next 23rd of November in our CMD. Have a nice day. Thank you.

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